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  • #68011
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    The twitter account @bbcdoctorwho is sending out tweets of questions regarding tonight’s episode. This one was the most interesting https://twitter.com/bbcdoctorwho/status/670671524630761472

    So the Hybrid IS a common theme throughout the season, mentioned as the Dalek/Time Lords, Me, and even with the Zygons.. and we’re supposed to be paying attention to it. oooh.

    #68077
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    The thing is, The Doctor claims he ran away from Gallifrey because he was running away from the prophesy about The Hybrid, but basically everyone people are suggesting, (River Song, The Doctor’s daughter Jenny, Osgood, Me,) the First Doctor would have had absolutely no way of knowing about them. In fact, since They Hybrid belongs to two warrior species, the surest way to avoid being involved with its creation would be to stay on Gallifrey.

    One person did suggest that Susan was The Hybrid, which could work, same as The Doctor. (Although all the people who claim The Doctor is half human because of that one bit in the TV Movie with Paul McGann, are kidding themselves in our opinion. They have worked so hard to make sure everyone knows that is not true, it’s like the Seventh’s claims suggesting he was one of the Time Lord founders–a statement that needs to be considered in light of Rule 1.

    #68083
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    The first Doctor wouldn’t know what the prophesy meant or that staying at home would be the way to avoid involvement. He was after all young in Time Lord terms and frightened so he ran. If a prophecy is reliable then you can’t avoid it anyway.

    So the Hybrid. You need 2 warrior races. Humans? yeah I’m afraid we qualify so anyone half human has to be a candidate. Time Lords? I’m less convinced about that. Jenny isn’t a hybrid and we haven’t had any hint that she might return. River Song, just no, I really can’t see that. Osgood is a definite Red Herring. I agree that the Doctor himself is wrong, the TV movie reference is totally covered by Rule 1 (and bad writing). It’s still possible that Davros’ plan worked and there’s a Time Lord/Dalek hybrid out there, it happened this season so it would be totally justified. I think Me has to be the front runner with that Dalek hybrid as a possible sneaky last minute switch just when we’re all convinced that it has to be Me 😉

    #68086
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    It could be a Dalek hybrid. The Doctor said the Daleks would never allow it, but Davros himself might. He isn’t stupid and a Time Lord/Dalek hybrid would certainly be a powerful warrior.

    As for the top two options being Me or the Dalek hybrid, how relevant do either seem to you? Me is the obvious choice, she’s the main character of Series 9 (after the Doctor and Clara) and the Doctor’s creation. But that’s the thing – her creation seems like such a fluke. Humans are important, fine, but the Mire? They’ve only appeared in one episode and really didn’t seem strong or important enough for a prophecy. As for Me, how much of the Mire is she anyway? She’s still mostly human, just with added immortality. Nothing that makes her half-human, half-Mire.
    As for the Dalek hybrid, plot-wise, it makes sense. The idea appeared in the premiere and will return in the finale. The Doctor said “the Hybrid is me” (take that as you will – me referring to himself or Me referring to Ashildr) but then says “the Daleks would never allow it”. His whole dialogue seems like a huge attempt to mislead us – we’re supposed to believe it could be Ashildr or himself (especially Ashildr, which makes sense given Series 9) and NOT the Daleks, when it is actually the Daleks.
    Plus, this is the first appearance of the Time Lords after the Time War – a war raged between the Daleks and the Time Lords. Daleks. And Time Lords.

    #68093
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    I hope it’s a dalek. I don’t really want it to be Ashildr..

    If it’s the Doctor somehow that’s good too

    #68142
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    Or Sam Swift? Maybe he’s just a loose end that they’ve totally forgotten about but I keep wondering what happened to him. Maybe the Doctor’s made up on the spot idea was right, or maybe Swift lead a much more reckless life and managed to get himself killed, but maybe not? Just throwing that in as another possibility.

    #68147
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    Sam Swift would certainly be surprising 😛

    I hope not though. He seems like a fun, one-time character, but to bring him back randomly would be odd especially in such an important arc. If he continued to appear alongside Me then it would have been better.

    #68154
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    It would be fun to see Sam Swift back at some point but I don’t think he should be the hybrid as it would be far too out of nowhere and feel like cheap writing, at least to me.

    #68173
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    Then again, doesn’t Sam Swift being the Hybrid have the same exact reasoning and proof that Me has?

    #68178
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    He does. I don’t think it will be him, there should have been some hints, at least some indication that he’s still alive. I only mentioned him because if he is still alive he qualifies and it kind of bugs me that he was left as a loose end. A loose end which could have so easily been tied up with a few words from Me.

    #68180
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    Then I guess it’s safe to say that Me isn’t the Hybrid, otherwise to make sense it would have to be BOTH Me and Sam Swift. Not one or the other because they are the same thing.

    #68184
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    No, just because they’re both the same kind of hybrid doesn’t mean that the prophecy can’t only apply to one.

    #68189
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    But why would it apply to one of them only? Unless one of them has done something of significance that the other has not (probably Me).

    #68194
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    That’s the nature of prophecies. Just because it says “a one eyed man will become king” doesn’t mean that *every* one-eyed man becomes king. See?

    #68198
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    Also, the explanation the Doctor gave at the end of The Woman Who Lived could’ve been true and he could’ve just lived only a little bit longer than he would’ve otherwise. Either that or Sam wasn’t as careful as Me and ended up being killed by his own recklessness.

    #68200
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    Except for this specific prophecy, Me is relevant *because* she is a hybrid, not because of who she is as a person. The prophecy applies to hybrids, that’s the trait we’re looking for, not that the person who conquers Gallifrey will happen to be a hybrid. Me isn’t relevant in this case because she’s Me, she’s relevant because she’s a hybrid.
    Anyway, I hope it’s a Dalek/Time Lord mix. Probably the most interesting.

    #68230
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    No, the prophecy very definitely DOES say that the person who conquers Gallifrey will ‘happen to be a hybrid’. They can’t *not* be a hybrid and fit, but it doesn’t have to be the *reason* they do it or in some way *how* they do it. Macduff doesn’t kill Macbeth *because* he was “from his mother’s womb untimely ripped”, that’s just the characteristic by which the prophecy identifies him (and tricks Macbeth into imagining himself invulnerable). The prophecy applies to whoever it applies to, not everyone/thing that meets one criteria.

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