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  • #68593
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    I think my order of characters that I like was:

    1. Han
    2. Kylo Ren
    3. Poe
    4. Chewbacca
    5/6. Finn/ Rey
    7. BB-8

    Everyone else is nothing of note really for me or we just hardly saw them

    #68595
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    Rey and Poe are probably my favourites. And Finn. IDK. I liked them all.

    Funniest scene for me was when C-3PO saw Han and was like “You probably didn’t recognize me because of my red arm.” 😆

    As for Rey, a lot of people are attacking her for being a Mary Sue-type character. A “Mary Sue” is a character (normally a woman) who seems to be perfect at EVERYTHING. And yes, it’s true, Rey is quite good. She’s a mechanic, pilot, is fluent in more than one language, defeated Kylo Ren, could use the Force, etc. So yes, she’s quite an exceptional person and people are annoyed – but then why didn’t anyone attack Anakin and Luke in TPM and ANH for being perfect too? Anakin was a 9 year-old who flew a starfighter and bombed a Trade Federation control ship. A 9 year-old. Luke was a 19 year-old farmboy who destroyed the DEATH STAR. It’s not like Star Wars hasn’t had people like Rey, it’s not like she’s the first “special” character.

    Another plus for this movie – so many women and POC in background roles. One of the Stormtroopers Kylo speaks to is also a girl.

    #68598
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    Yeah I agree Nam. On my list I like them all as well, it’s very close but Han and Chewbacca where standouts IMO that made all of the new characters a lot better. If you look at all the mentor characters which is Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan I’d say Han did the best job with that role. I liked that he didn’t have to be a Jedi to pull that off.

    Oh yeah that one was pretty good as well 😀 Most Han scenes had some humour in them, which is why I think he was the best. Just overall enjoyable.

    Anakin as a 9 year old was a bit stupid but Luke I’d say is more understandable, got to remember that lots of those pilots in the Rebel Allaince came from Tatooine anyways and Luke was always considered the best.

    I actually don’t get how Rey was a pilot… It seems like she never left Jakku and I’m not sure if she would have much time like Luke had on Tatooine to fly around. I think either when she opened the box or when Kylo reached into her mind then that “awoken” something inside of her, perhaps it was done by Luke with some kind of Jedi trick he learned.

    I’m thinking Finn may still be force sensitive. Kylo seemed to look at him kind of weirdly, he obviously isn’t as strong as Rey but I still think he has it.

    Well I guess the first order has to have women since the clones are no more, they made a comment about Hux’s soldiers vs thst of clones.

    #68599
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    I saw a comment that the 3 main characters. Finn, Poe and Rey are more all the different sides of Luke from the OT then the actual 3 original characters.

    Poe is the pilot side of him, Rey is the Jedi/ farm boy and Finn is more of his personality in general. The way Luke responds and reacts.

    #68600
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    It seems people are pretty hit and miss on Kylo. Some like him and others don’t, I personally like his character a lot and thinks it has quite a bit of potential to expand.

    IMO Kylo is the character Anakin SHOULD have been, a conflicted villain that’s just not certain on what to do but still has an overall goal.

    #68601
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    Any sign of that full synopsis yet? I could do with a laugh.

    #68603
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    Rey’s pilot skills were never explained and I doubt they will be. IDK, we just believed Luke and Anakin were good at it, so who cares?

    I hope Finn isn’t Force-sensitive. I like the pairing they have, him and Rey, it’s a nice friendship but if he’s Force-sensitive too it makes Rey less special.

    I’m interested in Kylo. I don’t actively like him but I like what they’re doing with him. The fact that he’s conflicted and immature and unsure of himself makes him a lot more interesting and more complex. If they made him even darker, he would’ve just been another Vader or Maul.

    So technically, Rey is the awakening of the Force?

    #68605
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    Yes I’m pretty sure Rey is the awakening, Luke had something to do with it though I think.

    Well Maul had no character in the movies. Kylo can only be compared to Anakin but he was too whiny in the films to ever have been likeable. Kylo isn’t Vader but he might eventually get to that point. Vader was just dark, you never saw much good in him. Kylo really isn’t that dark IMO.

    I think Finn is force sensitive but I don’t think he will be trained as a Jedi.

    What did you think of Hux? He seems like a Tarkin but not nearly as good… The actor is way too young, add like 20 years on to him and he would have been a better character. But I’m interested in his backstory.

    #68607
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    Hux annoyed me but I’m interested in him. I’m surprised he survived – that means none of the First Order died in this film. The actor played him very well but I agree that his age and Kylo’s age seems too young to be running the First Order.
    I want to learn more about the possible clone army that Snoke wants to use. It’d be interesting to see how Phasma and Hux would react to that. I imagine it would add some complexity to the First Order – Kylo and Snoke on one side, Phasma and Hux on the other.

    I’m so glad they didn’t destroy Coruscant. I thought they did and I was so sad.

    Luke has to be Rey’s father. It makes the most sense. So Luke trained his nephew Kylo but Kylo turned bad and destroyed the Jedi with the help of the Knights of Ren. Rey was Luke’s very powerful daughter, so he sent her to Jakku so Kylo would not find her. And the man pulling little Rey away in the flashback was Lor San Tekka, I think, and he met with Luke before taking Rey and that’s how he got the map of Luke.
    I guess Luke ran away because… what? He wasn’t strong enough to fight Kylo? I doubt it. Luke would’ve owned Kylo. Perhaps he wasn’t strong enough to fight Snoke and the other Knights of Ren, then, and that’s why he ran away – to save himself and his daughter. And now Rey’s old enough to fight so he’ll train her.

    There are other theories that Rey is not a Skywalker but a Kenobi, but eh. I don’t like it.

    #68608
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    Do you think Maz Kanata is dead? I hope not. She’s the Yoda of this trilogy… and she’s probably Force-sensitive.

    #68611
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    She’s like 1000 years old right?? I think lots of people are saying she probably knew Yoda as well. I don’t think she’s force sensitive in the sense of Jedi/ Sith but maybe more in the sense of a Nightsister, like she has similar abilities where she can call on the force like Talzin does idk that’s my theory.

    But to answer the question, nope I don’t think she’s dead one bit and we will likely see her again in one of the next films. Maybe not episode 8 though.

    Yeah I heard those theories about Rey but she’s too young to be a Kenobi, unless Kenobi has off spring in like ROTS time and then thst person has a child… But yeah she’s too young, I think she’s a Skywalker for sure and Luke hid her away before going into exile, likely wiped her mind a bit (so she didn’t remember him or her early Jedi training)but when she opened the box she regained a lot of those memories and also learned some other stuff that Luke wanted to show her.

    #68612
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    Kylo’s age is fine IMO, he’s older then Anakin was I believe but Hux is way too young, I agree the actor plays the part well but isn’t suited for that role. Perhaps he should have been the second in command or something and have a older more experienced man die in this movie thus passing the torch to Hux as he escapes with Kylo.

    I assume the empire is still prejudice to aliens however Snoke is an alien…unless plot twist that hologram isn’t actually Snoke and it’s just a cover up of his real identity. So clones would be all humans I am guessing again.

    I think Luke just ran away because he felt he failed as a teacher, not because he wasn’t strong enough. He probably though there would always be someone who would turn against him. Also it might have pissed off Han and Leia a lot if he ended up killing Kylo.

    That man at the start was interesting, I’m thinking he will appear in Star Wars Rebels.

    #68613
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    I think Finn is going to end up owning the Falcon eventually. If Rey is a Jedi she won’t have use for it. Finn and Chewbacca are gonna be piloting it around now I guess.

    #68614
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    Assuming Han didn’t write it off to Ben in the will 😆

    #68615
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    Exactly what I thought about Maz. Used the Force like Talzin and others but not Jedi or Sith. It’s much more interesting that way.

    I just want Luke to be Rey’s daughter and this generation’s Skywalker hero. Any other explanation would be weird.

    Kylo’s age is fine given the role he has. He’s an enforcer in the First Order and not the leader – that’s Snoke’s role. Hux is probably of a similar rank. It’s similar to the Vader/Tarkin pairing – both similar ranks.

    I hope the hologram isn’t actually the size of Snoke, and I doubt it is. But as for looks, I don’t see why they’d change it and why he’d be faking it in the first place.

    They need to give Lor San Tekka some more explanation. I’m assuming Luke will explain him to Rey in the next film.

    The way the film went, it seems like Rey is the new pilot. She knew how to fly it almost better than Han. Plus, Finn doesn’t even know how to fly 😛

    #68616
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    Nah Rey will likely stay with Luke she has no need for a ship like that. Chewbacca owns it anyways now and he knows what to do. Finn is likely going to stay with Chewie and do something.

    Hux is still pretty odd though and a bit too young, I want to know how he got that rank. Also why is he a General? Admiral makes more sense given what we seen…

    I think it was confirmed Snoke is around 7 feet tall.

    #68617
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    Everyone is saying Plagueis is Snoke but I just don’t buy it that Palpatine would fail in his assassination attempt.

    However I had a new theory that Snoke is Sidious. Sidious knows quite a few dark side rituals right? So perhaps he preserved Plagueis body (Snoke looks like a Munn) and when his normal body failed he transferred his essence through a dark side ritual into the body of his old master. Which would also explain his extreme interest in Kylo as its his second chance to convert a Skywalker without the interference of many Jedi.

    Idk I just don’t buy that Plagueis could have survived Palpatine. This makes more sense honestly. There’s also some music connection made between Palpatine/ Plagueis (ROTS) and Snoke in TFA.

    #68618
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    General is a higher rank than Admiral, right? They’re similar but isn’t a general given more authority?

    I’d rather it be Plagueis than a return of Palpatine. If it’s Palpatine, it will make Episodes 4,5, and 6 meaningless. Anakin’s death will have been for nothing.
    At least with Plagueis, they have enough freedom to give a better explanation. Palpatine is done for, I hope.

    #68620
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    Around here, a general commands a land based army, and an admiral controls a fleet of ships. One does not necessarily have to outrank the other, and there are different levels of each rank.

    #68621
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    General is the rank for ground commanders, admirals command fleets.

    Plagueis would actually be worse then Palpatine IMO.

    #68622
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    Well yes, I know that, but in Star Wars – let’s say in the Clone Wars. Obi-Wan and Mace Windu were both the highest-ranking Jedi Generals – does that mean they were higher than the Admirals? Also, General Skywalker outranked Admiral Yularen.

    #68623
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    Interesting theory that Kylo isn’t that great at a lightsaber either because Luke didn’t train him. Luke wasn’t that great either, so what skills could he have passed down? Much of Kylo’s power comes from his emotion – all his Dark Side energy are his inner feelings used as fuel. But lightsaber skill isn’t based on emotion, which is why they all sucked. Which I like.

    #68624
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    #68625
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    Admirals respected the Jedi but they actually had control of the fleets and not the General. The Generals where always the ones on the ground making the plans and fighting the droids. Not every Jedi had an admiral though like Piell, he had Captain Tarkin.

    Yularen liked Anakin’s tactics and respected him but Killian who was Windus admiral didn’t actually care that much for Windu “This is my ship”, “Wouldn’t expect you to understand, Jedi”

    Admiral and General are the same rank just one if navy and one is army.

    #68626
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    I think he isn’t that great with a lightsaber but Kylo was very injured in that duel. He got shot by an explosive bolt from a Bowcaster, they where building that guns power up all movie showing how it always kills in one shot and tosses guys around as well. That wound in his lower mid section is basically like Anakin trying to fight with his wounds in TCW after they crashed on that one planet.

    He also had to waste his limited energy on Finn first.

    #68627
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    I don’t think that makes sense at all…

    #68630
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    Hey guys, long time :). So here are my thoughts on SW The Force Awakens, and I’m glad you made this spoilers forum to go in depth about it. The film overall is fun. The story centers itself on the characters, their relationships, goals, struggles, destinies, pretty much like the Original SW trilogy did. The cinematography was great. This film looks beautiful, and I love the implementation of practical effects, they had some pretty cool costume designs and sets. The acting for the most part was great. All that is good. If people went into the theater looking for fun, well yea it is but is this a “good movie”?? The story is the essential part of any movie, whether its complex or simple. I went into this film trying to be rational and look beyond the hype and nostalgia, and to be honest, so far I think its story sucks.The film is pretty identical to ANH, and has sequences that feel like a rehash of some sequences from the three original films. The new setting and many of the characters are mainly a facade for their same stereotype of the OT. What do I mean by this?

    The plot is basically the same, with a few twitches and different faces. A secret map file is hidden from the First Order(Empire) by the Resistance(Rebel Alliance) into a trusted, sentient droid BB-8(R2-D2). He is left in a desert planet named Jakku(Tatooine) ALONE to be later found by a poor underdog girl(Luke Skywalker)(scavenger, not farmer now)named Rey, who saves(not buying this time) him from a native of the planet. Her fate will be changed forever as the First Order sends to find this file by orders of Dark commander Kylo Ren(Darth Vader) working alongside General Hux(Grand Moff Tarkin). These two leaders take orders and commands from the Supreme Leader Snoke(Emperor Palpatine) who later feels an awakening(disturbance) in the Force and calls by hologram his Dark apprentice Kylo Ren for this reason and asks him if he’s felt it. He has(the Emperor contacts Vader through hologram transmission regarding Luke’s power in ESB). A fleeing stormtrooper named Finn and a Resistance pilot named Poe Dameron escape the First Order(the two most original characters in the film, though their interaction felt a bit rushed). After landing on Jakku and believing Poe is dead, Finn wonders the planet and finally meets Rey. They both escape the First Order’s attack, and are later found by an old smuggler named Han Solo, and his friend Chewbacca, who becomes their mentor(Obi Wan Kenobi). As their journey continues, they go to a bar(Mos Eisley bar in ANH) in a different planet to meet a contact from Han who can help (Maz Kanada I think it was?). The First Order uses Starkiller Base(the Death Star, ANH, ROTJ),a massive canon-like weapon within a whole planet, by the command of Hux(Tarkin giving the order in ANH) to destroy several planets using a massive energy beam (Alderaan gets destroyed by the Death Star in ANH) this time powered by the nearby star. Rey soon starts to discover her powers(Luke in ANH) and feels afraid. She finds Luke’s lightsaber in the bar’s basement. Finn struggles between his life and what feels right to do(Han in ANH, less selfish and no cocky). The First Order arrives, and later does the Resistance, they have a confrontation. The First Order captures Rey and now the heroes have to save her(a bit like saving Leia in ANH from the Empire). The heroes then meet the Resistance(ANH). They analize the plans to destroy Starkiller Base(the Rebellion plans their attack on the Death Star in ANH and ROTJ) and analize the information from droid BB-8(ANH). They have to destroy some sort of protecting shield(ROTJ) in order for the X-wings to destroy its core, I think. The heroes take the mission upon themselves, and infiltrate the base. Rey uses her new found powers to escape imprisonment by using a Jedi mind trick. The heroes plant explosives inside the base to destroy the base’s shield(ROTJ). Kylo senses his father(Vader ANH), Han Solo, and goes after the heroes. Han confronts his son and asks him to come back home(One of the best moments of the film). The heroes come to the scene and watch closely, completely quiet and still. He gets Kylo to confess his fears. After trying to bring him back to the light, Han is eventually murdered his son, who’s real name is Ben Solo. Rey yells “Nooooo!”, and the heroes attack while also escaping Ren and the stormtroopers(Obi Wan is murdered by Vader who once was Anakin Skywalker, his apprentice and closest friend, Luke watches and yells “Nooooo!” while the heroes attack and escape Vader and the stormtroopers). With the shield down, the X-wings infiltrate the base inside the planet’s core and destroy its center, thus destroying Starkiller Base. In a failed attempt to escape and separated from Chewbacca, Finn and Rey confront an injured Kylo in the planet’s forest. Finn tries to fight Kylo with Luke’s lightsaber but fails. Before Kylo can kill him Rey intervenes. She reaches Luke’s lightsaber before Kylo does and tries to fight him. Just before being pushed down a fracture in the planets surface, due to the weapon being destroyed, she focuses and gains enough Jedi skill to defeat Kylo. The heroes succeed and return to the Resistance base. R2-2D, who was originally on low power mode, powers up suddenly and both he and BB-8 complete the map to Luke Skywalker’s location in the galaxy. Rey, who now acknowledges her strnght in the Force, travels to Luke’s location. She arrives to a planet with vasts oceans and small islands. She then finds Luke Skywalker in an ancient temple in an island and shows him his lightsaber. Thus the film ends, with her starting her Jedi training with an old Jedi legend, who is considered by many to be a myth, in an isolated planet(Luke begins his Jedi training with Yoda in Dagobah in ESB).

    #68631
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    Look guys, I don’t want to sound like some type of hater, but this story is pretty much A New Hope combined with things from the other Original films, The Empire Strikes Back, and Return of The Jedi. The thing is that this film copied so many things from the OT to a great degree, to the point where I instantly compared this film to the OT. In doing so, I felt that some sequences were less emotionally powerful than their similar OT sequence. For example, I didn’t feel much for the destruction of Starkiller Base or didn’t feel threatened by Snoke. However Han’s death did touch me a lot. I did love how in the end, in spite of the trials, Han, Leia, Chewie and Luke remain heroes, true to their principles. What do you think?

    #68632
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    Like I said earlier I am fine with the first movie of this new trilogy being like this, it’s a good connection and send off to the past Star Wars but I think it opens up a lot of options for the future Star Wars movies now and the character of Kylo Ren has a lot of depth to it IMO as does many of the other characters but him more so.

    I think the next two films will take some pretty branching paths that will really set itself apart from the orginals, especially with Han gone as well.

    This was still a very fun adventure and I never once found it dull or boring like I would have in poltical scenes and stuff. They should have left thst one deleted scene in though with the New Republic.

    #68633
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    I DO agree that it had a lot of elements like the OT, but so did the prequels and TCW. I agree that the superweapon idea has now been overused and should NOT be used again, but despite all the similarities, it still has its difference. Luke never fought Vader in ANH. Vader was never conflicted in ANH. No crazy flashbacks in ANH. Yes, lots of similarities to the OT, but there were still exceptions, enough exceptions to make this its own film.
    Having said that, I do wish we got some political scenes between Leia and the New Republic. Some Senate discussions about the war or at least some New Republic comment on the destruction of their homeworld. The New Republic seemed so irrelevant in this, like they were purposely trying to ignore it (which I don’t doubt that they were – prequel-haters constantly attack the political scenes, which I actually love). I wish they at least showed something from the New Republic before the homeworld’s destruction just to make it more emotional. So in the next films, I hope we get some New Republic intervention because the First Order committed an act of war against them.
    The political state of this trilogy is quite interesting. The First Order and the New Republic control different systems and are not directly at war with each other. However, the Resistance is operating within the First Order’s borders as an insurgent group being funded secretly by the New Republic. So the Republic isn’t directly warring with the First Order – they’re using the Resistance to do so. So when the First Order attacked the New Republic with the Starkiller, that’s how the war actually starts, which is something I hope will be further explored in the next films.

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