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  • #55395
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    Well said Firebird, what Disney has just done is quite different from GL and the Special Editions.

    #55398
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    And??? Its just like the Itunes Clone Wars episodes! I bought the 4 season 5 Maul arc episodes, and they didnt have the extra, already made!!!! scenes either! Decapitations? Nope. This complaint is fairly irrelevant at pointing out a change in how they release stuff.

    #55399
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    All my episodes I own are as they were premeired, not as they were intended to be. The darth vader scene isnt that big of a deal for them, or you, to be angry.

    I watched the Rebels episodes. They werent that bad. While i still prefer the clone wars, there wasnt anything absolutely horrendous about the 3 episodes i saw.

    #55400
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    The DVD has been available online at Walmart since at least 10/4 here’s a link to the force. net story interesting that it lacks the Vader scene because I’m sure that would have sread like wildfire if it was on it,but if you read the comments it has a TCW season 6 Blu-ray trailer according to one comment and reading the comments it seems there may be another version shown at comic con because someone said it was longer then the one available online but these are comments not part of the report so I don’t know.

    http://www.theforce.net/story/front/Star_Wars_Rebels_Spark_Of_Rebellion_Now_Available_On_DVD_160158.asp

    #55403
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    It’s hardly a big deal to me Chex because I didn’t buy it. But some people did and reportedly do care and the question has to be, why did Disney do it? To make people who’d purchased the show watch it again on TV to push up the ratings? Possible, but only necessary if they were *really* worried about it getting poor numbers. Otherwise, why? Can you think of a good/plausible reason?

    #55406
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    Ideally, if you pay more, you get more. So if you buy an extended version of anything, great for you! But the way this has worked out, people have now bought less than the broadcast version and it makes them feel annoyed or cheated. Similar feelings have been leveled at New Line Cinema because of the way they’ve handled the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

    #55407
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    Like I said, its nothing new. The Clone Wars had that problem pop up with the itunes as well. Many movies do it as well. I’d have loved those scenes they left out, i expected the true cut of the episodes and only got broadcast.

    #55408
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    #55409
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    Although I deeply miss the Clone Wars, I can see that the team working on Rebels are doing it really hard. Tbh, the premiere has parts that demonstrate they’re trying to approach the SW Universe as much as possible. And even though it’s still a Disney show, I think one has to appreciate it.

    #55410
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    I agree. Its no replacement but the team making it IS trying.

    #55414
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    Analogy time, and I’m going for one that doesn’t even suit my tastes because it works so well 🙂

    If a top class steak restaurant is told to make meatloaf however hard they try, however much craft they put into it what you get at the end is *still* going to be meatloaf not steak. And to make it fit properly, they’ve been handed the standard cheap ingredients and all but the lead chefs were hired from the local burger joint after the previous experienced staff got canned.

    You can admire the effort but as I understand it a lot of people simply don’t like meatloaf however lovingly crafted.

    #55425
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    But we don’t know if they were told to make meatloaf or steak. Maybe they were told to make a steak but just weren’t given ingredients as good as the ones TCW had. But that doesn’t have to mean that it will be a terrible steak, just not a steak as good as the last one.

    Vanessa Marshall was at NYCC to promote Rebels and talked a bit about TCW and mentioned that she’s worried about Ahsoka 🙂
    They also screened the episode where Luminara appears. I don’t want to spoil her fate for anyone who wants to see it so check the article if you want to know what happens to her.
    http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/12/nycc-new-star-wars-rebels-episode-screened-rise-of-the-old-masters

    #55434
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    Good point, they might well have been *told* to made steak … but been given the ingredients for meatloaf 😆

    But no, Disney don’t want a show like TCW to be watched by a wide range of ages both male and female, they want a show for little boys. Meatloaf.

    #55441
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    actually, a lot of people like meatloaf if its good… Ive never eaten bad meatloaf before.

    That last argument that you make so much simply makes no sense firebird, no matter how you look at it… They want things that appeal to boys, yeah, but that doesnt mean they want to seclude girls. As far as making money, what a business essentially wants, they get no gain by targeting boys and ignoring girls. There wasnt anything about rebels that panders to boys more than girls. Its just a show that is trying to be adventurous.

    There are lots of Rebels commercials on Disney… You think its possible they will show the episodes on Disney saturday nights when they have XD on Disney? That’d make it easy.

    #55443
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    They did say that the target audience was boys in that ratings link from earlier but so far I haven’t seen anything that suggests they’re trying to chase girls away.

    #55445
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    Thats what I mean. Of course thats the target audience, but that doesnt say “no” to anyone else. Technically everyone here is not in the target audience.

    #55451
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    Another interview with Vanessa Marshall http://www.ign.com/videos/2014/10/11/star-wars-rebels-vanessa-marshall-on-whats-next-for-the-series-hera-nycc-2014

    She mentions that she liked the Onderon arc and that it would be cool if Rebels could somehow connect with that arc and TCW in general.
    And her favorite movie used to be ANH but after watching TCW and the PT it’s become ROTJ and she hopes Rebels can enhance ANH in the same way.

    #55463
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    OK so you just didn’t bother to follow any of the links when this subject came up a while ago. Yes they actually DO want to exclude girls. Seriously! On the face of it to viewers it makes no sense at all but it does make business sense if you are running the TV channel and your income is advertising.

    OK, the short version. Advertiser’s POV.

    Disney charge me $1 per viewer (totally fabricated amount to make it simple) on a campaign that reaches an audience of 1,000,000. If 50% of those viewers are female when my product is for males I’ve ‘wasted’ $500,000 or put another way it’s cost me $2 per potential customer.

    If I can be promised an audience of 500,000 who are ALL male I’m only paying $500,000 with no waste, $1 per potential customer. In this example I’d be willing to pay $1.50 per viewer because $750,000 would get me the same audience hit as the 50% model did but for $250,000 less.

    Disney can charge more for a show that is tightly targeted at a demographic that advertisers want. Anyone outside that demographic is less than worthless. Any change that increases the number of the desired demographic even marginally while reducing the unwanted ones makes the show more attractive to advertisers.

    We can argue all we like that Lego Star Wars set are NOT just for little boys, heck you know I collect them! but that doesn’t matter, what matters is what the marketing depart at Lego think. If their advertising campaign is aimed at boys aged 6-11 then that’s what they want Disney to deliver. Then of course there’s Hasbro and all the others you’ll see advertising during Rebels. They all want the same thing.

    #55478
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    So I relented and watched the “movie” did they really call Ezra a “street rat” OMG :roll: IMO the animation is nowhere near as good as TCW no matter how many Ralph McQuarrie references you make it’s also just to colorful and not in a good way like say on the Trandoshan moon where the colors pull you in but in a shinny object way. This is probably a result of Disney wanting to limit the cost per episode. This is a large corporation running this now not GL it’s a different dynamic and if they run their media division like they do the parks cost containment is a factor. I also don’t think you will see it evolve the way the animation did on TCW. The company isn’t interested in art but in getting the most out of the show while limiting cost. They do the same thing in the parks it’s a company attitude they figure that people will come to the parks regardless of the show quality so why fix the 30 foot Yeti so it reaches for the coaster when you can just flash a strobe light on him and unfortunately for the most part people will still go (until they see Harry Potter 2.0 at Universal). Back in the day that would never fly. They probably think the same way about the SW brand.

    The constant OT references get old fast and the Stormtroopers now that is just to ridiculous. Like I said they couldn’t shoot the hero’s in the movies but at least in they could be seen as a threat especially in ESB here they are almost standing around waiting to be shot. The characters just didn’t resonate with me they seemed bland and Zeb’s eyes bugged me they look like marbles with holes drilled in them.

    Comparing it to TCW which is appropriate since TCW was axed to make Rebels it’s like eating a one bland piece of pasta compared to a full plate of spaghetti with sauce, meatballs, sausage, clams and garlic bread. To be honest I could see Filoni’s style and influence in it at times but no matter how good a cake Filoni bakes it will unfortunately be smothered with to much Disney frosting. Now I’m hungry.

    #55485
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    Harry Potter 2.0 at Universal {jumps up and down and goes squeeee!!!} Oh yes, that’s a big part of the plan for our CA trip. Last time we went to Lego and Disney. Lego deserves a second visit, Disney? well you know the answer to that one! Universal Studios will be getting our tourist cash instead.

    #55487
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    Actually I’m pretty sure the animation is the best TV show animation right now.. Only TCW beats it

    And lol Zeb’s eyes… Yeah they bothered me too

    #55488
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    The Legend of Korra has great animation too and does fight scenes really well, but it’s not CGI so it’s harder to compare. But I definitely think it’s the best CGI show out there.

    This TCW vs Rebels thing reminds me of the The Last Airbender vs Legend of Korra comparisons. There’s still people who say that Korra sucks and is no where near as good as TLA, but most have accepted TLoK as a great show in its own right. And it’s not always an easy comparison because TLoK is a more adult show with darker, more mature themes, where TLA was a more kid friendly show. They still did dark themes in TLA but they usually went about it in a way that kids could watch because they wouldn’t really grasp the more adult themes that were explored. I don’t see why this couldn’t a a bit of the same with TLoK being TCW and Rebels being TLA and the shows just being released in the opposite order.

    #55512
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    Well I haven’t left my opinion on Rebels yet I don’t think. First of all I don’t think its as good as the Clone Wars at the moment but it may be as the seasons progress. So far it has impressed me. The characters are really well presented and the story plots are pretty decent so far. At times I feel that the show can be a little towards the childish side of things but I can look past that and still enjoy it. The episode that I am really looking forward to at the moment is the Rise of the old masters. Hopefully the show continues to improve with time and become less childish.

    #55513
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    We all just need to give Rebels some time I believe. Its as simple as that. 🙂

    #55518
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    Agreed.

    #55522
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    So the second episode has aired right? What ratings did it get? I’ve checked the Zap2it top 100 cable shows and unlike TCW it doesn’t make the grade (no surprise there) so anyone know where I can find the numbers? Yes, I want to gloat, it’s the only pleasure I’m going to get from this show :-p

    #55530
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    I saw them last night on the force net I think that’s where it was another spin job highest XD premier but that’s not saying much.

    #55535
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    Here is the article my phone crapped out at work.
    http://www.theforce.net/story/front/Star_Wars_Rebels_Disney_XD_Premiere_Sets_A_Network_Record_160320.asp
    Yup “Rebels also set records for viewers in the coveted kids 6-14, boys 6-14, and kids 6-11 demographics.”

    #55537
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    Found them.

    It averaged 1.03 million viewers (based on the Live Plus Same Day data). And “Star Wars Rebels” broke the record books in kids 6-14 (481,000), boys 6-14 (369,000), kids 6-11 (356,000) and boys 6-11 (282,000). Comparatively, “Star Wars Rebels” built from the year-ago time period by as much as 48 percent in boys 2-11 (379,000 vs. 256,000).- http://www.tvmediainsights.com/star-wars-rebels-opens-record-note-disney-xd/

    Numbers breakdown comparing episode 2 on DX to episode 1 on Disney (see previous page)

    Viewers 1.03 million vs 2.7 million (drop of 62%)
    kids 6-11 356,000 vs 918,000 (drop of 62%)
    boys 6-11 282,000 vs 576,000 (drop of 51%)
    therefore girls 6-11 74,000 vs 342,000 (drop of 78%)
    girls 21% vs 38%

    The data for kids 2-11 isn’t there, they’ve only given boys but
    boys 2-11 379,000 vs 762,000 (drop of 50%)

    Remember the press release for the premiere claimed “Among the target demographic, Boys 6-11, it performed 52% higher than Disney Channel’s year-to-date ratings average in the timeslot.” Funny how they’re now quoting the 2-11 demographic instead AND they’ve picked the same slot a year ago instead of a year-to-date average. Anything to make the numbers look good. Spin spin spin!

    #55540
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    I’m getting Battlestar feeling again.
    Everything else aside the move to cancel an already established series with a broad fan base and an extremely fan oriented cast that if promoted properly by Disney could have garnered them a far wider swath of viewers and interest just seems illogical. Instead they focus on a narrow demographic and quite honestly pander to the nostalgia of the OT.

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