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  • #46743
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    Thought I’d start with the first movie. Like I said I like it more then most but it still isn’t the best
    Good points
    1. The refit Enterprise
    2. Spock’s subplot and the brief glimpse of Vulcan (and they didn’t have to destroy it)
    3. The 3 K’T’inga Klingon battlecruisers
    4. McCoy with a beard. lol
    5. Just seeing the crew back together again.
    6. knowing there would be a sequel

    Bad points
    1. The uniforms
    2. The long V-ger fly over thought Sulu was going to fall out of his chair
    3. Basically a rehash of Nomad looking for it’s creator
    4. Using the awesome Klingon ships as V-ger canon fodder
    5. Not having the Klingons as the chief antagonist.
    6. The big reveal Voyager. Although some say that it was the Borg who built V-ger’s ship now that could be fun.
    7. The name always thought that was a poor choice for a movies name. Like I didn’t know it was a movie.
    8. They never used the new Phasers.

    #46746
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    Sister: I’ll try my hand at a similar set of lists, keeping in mind that I have not seen the movie in years.

    Good Points:
    1. Getting to hear the Klingon language for the first time
    2. Seeing that all the main characters of the show survived their 5-year mission
    3. I don’t remember taking any issue with Sulu, Uhura, or Chekov’s portrayal in the movie
    4. The outside of the Enterprise looked nice
    5. McCoy’s reaction to the refit
    6. No more miniskirts

    Bad Points:
    1. Too many boring effects shots
    2. The uniforms, especially the clunky belts. No, I take that back, I really like the bright uniforms of The Original Series, so the change to these horrendously drab ones doesn’t go down well with me at all. The stupid “Life Monitors” or whatever those things are supposed to be are just icing on the cake of my annoyances.
    3.The Enterprise interior. It’s probably just me, I know my tastes in such things are generally weird. Now that they have more money, and the makers are trying to take Star Trek to the Next Level of Seriousness, why must they make everything white, gray, or black? I liked the red doors, the yellow pipes, and the pretty rows of colored buttons on the bridge. The original Enterprise had a colorful, geometric simplicity that appealed to me. If I built a spaceship it would be similar. But all modern, realistic portrayals of spaceships must be drab.
    4. Painting the fusion of a human with a machine as the next step in human evolution goes against everything they ever taught about humans over the run of the show.
    5. McCoy with a beard. (It’s no secret that I don’t like facial hair.) I think McCoy thought of himself as a Southern Gentleman type, to go with his Old Country Doctor idea. And, well, here in Virginia you don’t see too many men with beards, and those who do grow them are usually going for a Duck Dynasty feel, which I don’t think he would want exactly…
    6. Why in the world would Kirk have become an Admiral. I’m assuming a person could turn down a promotion if they chose. He never had a kind word for paper-pusher types in the episodes. Also, they say a person sometimes doesn’t know how much they value someone or something until they lose it, but I don’t think you can say that about Kirk. He loves the Enterprise, and quite clearly and vocally expresses this in the show. She is his wife, his home, and his life. So I have a hard time buying that he would leave her for a desk job.
    7. Movie Kirk in general. I was never drawn to Captain Kirk because he could woo a woman every other week. I was drawn to his ability to make up plans on the spur of the moment, and lie through his teeth quite successfully. He never gave up, and if he couldn’t win, he changed the rules so he could. THAT was why I liked Kirk. I feel like he got downgraded in the movies, making stupid procedural errors, and just overall not coming across as on top of things.
    8. Spock going in for kolinahr. Either he took that route because he felt unable to cope with his feelings, (possibly about loosing Kirk to the admiralty?)which seems like a weak decision, and one he would be unlikely to make. Or he learned absolutely nothing from Pike, Kirk, and McCoy over the course of at least ten years with them. I just never liked it.

    #46749
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    McCoy’s reaction “I know engineers they love to change things” 😆
    That’s a good one Kirk becoming an Admiral how many times did we see his “attachment” to the Enterprise like just this week with Elaan of Troyious

    Maybe being around Pike kirk and McCoy made Spock question the total devotion to logic and that’s why he went back to Vulcan.

    #46750
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    I still don’t quite see it. If he was questioning the idea of total devotion to logic, I understand him returning to Vulcan. He would discuss with his people and try to figure it all out. I don’t mind him returning to Vulcan. But he strove for kolinahr, the complete and permanent eradication of emotion. Which implies that he concluded pure logic was the best path. And if he concluded that, than what am I supposed to think other than he learned nothing from his time with his human friends? I’m not sure how to put my thoughts on this issue exactly, but I feel like it lessens the value he must have placed on his friendship with Kirk, and even with McCoy, because he was willing to sacrifice all of it for the prize of kolinahr.

    #46777
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    But he would say his friendship is logical as in the end of The Menagerie when Kirk accuses him of emotion he says his actions were the only logical alternative.

    #46786
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    Sister: Clearly many people are fine with this decision by the writers, but I’ve never liked it. He was cold in TMP, not the calm state that was his norm in TOS, but actively pushing against connections with others.

    I guess it comes down to how you view the Vulcan race. I never believed for one moment that they were a people without emotion. They believed that you should rule your emotions rather than allowing your emotions to rule you. They believed in following logic when decisions needed to be made. But the complete eradication of emotion… perhaps some followed that path, but I don’t imagine Spock to be that type. After all, he joined Starfleet and served on a regular starship rather than an all Vulcan one. He would never admit to having emotion, but he clearly does, and I believe the same could be said of Sarek, or T’Pring. (I was going to mention Surak as at least seeming to be a nice, almost affable type, but since we only saw a version of him drawn from Spock’s mind, it doesn’t mean he was actually like that.)

    #46788
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    I can see your point I think though that Spock would always be caught between the two worlds like Amanda said in Journey to Babel wait I think I just made your point because she also said “…at home nowhere except Starfleet.”
    and that’s a good point about Surak it’s to bad JJ destroyed Vulcan they could have expanded more on the Vulcan civilization he could have called D.C. Fontana. 😀
    The poor Intrepid 🙁 I often wonder if GL borrowed that scene when Spock senses the ship die for Obi-wan in ANH when Alderran is destroyed the scenes are so similar.

    #46795
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    Sister: Via flashback, we could still see some explanation about the Vulcans and their history in the mew movies. Maybe how the Romulans came to be, which has epic potential.

    It is possible, but I bet not. I don’t remember hearing that GL ever watched any star trek, and it seems the sort of idea that several people could come up with without having seen it before.

    The Motion Picture feels like it is trying too hard to NOT be Star Wars, and instead to BE the next 2001: A Space Odyssey.

    #46800
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    On balance I rather liked TMP. Sure some of the things you guys listed were weak points but it was just so nice to have the old crew back that I forgave everything 🙂

    #46804
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    Sister: Maybe that’s one reason it didn’t resonate with me as much, Brother and I watched it before we had even finished TOS.

    #47203
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    Okay, as I’ve said before I’ve never watched Star Trek before, or even know what the basis is really. I’ll probably end up watching them on Netflix at some point in the future, the movies that is. Could someone give me a list of the movies in order of the sequence they should be in, so I can start watching the first movie of the Saga? I know nothing of Trek as you can see.

    #47218
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    You should start with the original series it’s only 79 episodes not counting The Cage which was the first pilot rejected by the network it had other characters and actors although it does fit in with canon. The movies are all numbered after Star Trek The Motion Picture (always hated that name) and then II through VI.

    #47220
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    After that there are four more series and six more movies none of which feature the original cast
    six that is if you count JJ’s two crap fests

    #47223
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    We never did do that blog we had discussed, MD.

    Squiggy, television shows are the foundation of the Star Trek franchise, with movies acting as icing on the cake more than anything else. We also recommend watching The Original Series. The basis of what it’s about is the adventures of the starship Enterprise’s captain and his fellow officers as they explore and do various missions for their government, (while the show tries to teach the viewers a moral or two along the way.)

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