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  • #68245
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    I wanted to like it, I really did … but on the first watching, no, I just didn’t. Too much Clara, no answer to the Hybrid question (although you could argue that Me was standing in the ruins of Gallifrey). And no, please, nobody even suggest a Me/Clara spin-off, that would be dire!

    #68252
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    I don’t even know what happened.
    Like. What?

    I liked it, I think… I hope. Yeah, I’d watch it again… but what? I expected it to be very different. I agree with you, too much Clara, not enough Gallifrey and barely any Hybrid – you’d think that after they kept on shoving it in our faces the last episode it would’ve been much bigger. But I guess it wasn’t meant to be taken so seriously.

    I don’t know what to think right now. So Clara’s not dead… and she’s running away with Me, until she chooses to go back to Gallifrey to finally face her death.
    Gah. I feel like they should’ve kept her dead. It felt stronger that way, that Clara chose to face her death bravely and alone, not being pulled away by the Doctor. And it was original. When it was hinted that Clara’s memory may have been wiped, it felt like another Donna to me. Her death was stronger.
    But… so now what… we’re just supposed to believe that she’s happy, running away with Me, and then she’ll go back to die… it’s too ambiguous. But technically it’s not ambiguous at all because she DOES go back and die.

    anyway. that was draining.

    #68253
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    The episode would have been much stronger if Clara remained dead. Once she returned it was like we were supposed to forget about the Time Lords (WHO WE’VE BEEN WAITING FOR FOR TWO YEARS) and the Hybrid and just focus on her – despite the fact that she already got a very satisfying and strong conclusion.

    gah. The episode should’ve gone down with a bigger focus on an actual Hybrid, with an appearance from Me and perhaps the return of Davros and Missy. It would’ve been much stronger like that.
    And, like, what happened to Rassilon? He just got banished? We lost so much story with the Time Lords just for Clara. And I was so excited for them. And now the Doctor’s back to running away and we probably won’t see them again for a while. gah.

    But I DO like the theory of the Hybrid that me put forward. It was Clara and the Doctor, put together by Missy, and it was the Doctor’s effort to save Clara that could hurt the universe dramatically. except it didn’t and basically the whole hybrid subplot is irrelevant because Clara.

    #68254
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    One strong point of this episode – Me. I hope she remains a recurring character (but I doubt it) because it’s so fun to see her with the Doctor.

    #68255
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    On an interesting note, Clara has spent so much time basically becoming the Doctor, and now she is. She has her own TARDIS, she’s kind of immortal, and she has a companion. So it’s an interesting twist.

    But one question – if Clara continues to travel in her TARDIS, what happens? What if she just avoids going back to Gallifrey completely? Then what? Who stops her?

    So I guess we ARE supposed to think she’s one of the most important companions. She’s lived so many lives to save the Doctor, then she learned to be him, and now she’s basically him. ehhh.

    #68256
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    Next day and … well I suppose I should give it a second chance, but basically a lot of what you said Nam. Too much Clara and she should have stayed properly dead. At the very, very least she should have gone straight back to Gallifrey to face her death. If she’d had any second thoughts Me should have insisted.

    Oh! It’s all such a mess! I’ve generally been down on the Moffat Haters (too much like the PT bashers who think they’re fashionable) but this episode was SUCH a flop I do now wonder if it might be time for him to go. Just not Toby Whitehouse, that’s all I ask!

    #68258
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    We were all satisfied with her death and ready to move on to the bigger arc – the Time Lords – but no, the finale just shoved Clara right back at us and left the Time Lords (who were MUCH more interesting) behind. And then it was a mess.
    I mean, I didn’t hate the finale, and I was thoroughly entertained watching, but the alternative ideas could have been much better.

    And I wonder why Moffat messed up so badly with this goodbye. With Amy and Rory, it was quick, strong, one episode, they got an emotional goodbye and then we moved on. Same with all of the older companions. And then we get Clara, who’s gotten so many exits that now it’s just tiresome. Moffat has said that he doesn’t know if this is his last season, so it’s probably that – wants to make his goodbye as emotional (and long) as possible.

    Basically, the next companion better be freaking amazing and the next showrunner hopefully isn’t Moffat.

    #68298
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    Agree with a lot of your thoughts Nam. Clara’s been annoying the hell out of me this season and to see her brought back, thus undermining the superior send off scene, just makes me all the more frustrated.

    And yes, Moffat really should just let someone else have a go. Me and my sister are really getting tired of him.

    #68300
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    I like Clara (I think). I liked her in Series 7, but then they made her an annoying lovesick character that would cry every time the Doctor left her in Series 8, and then we got some improvement in Series 9 and got a good ending out of her. and. then. they. would. not. let. her. go.

    #68303
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    It’s quite ironic that Moffat once said that he was never satisfied with how Rose just kept coming back and yet he’s done the same thing here with Clara. In fact he’s done in with Clara a hell of a lot more than Russell did with Rose.

    #68307
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    And how many times did Rose even come back? She got her ending once, in “Doomsday” and then returned in “Journey’s End” (and it wasn’t even about her, the focus was Donna) and then we finally said goodbye in “The End of Time.” That was 3 times, and it’s not like they were massive reappearances.
    With Clara, we lost her at the end of Series 7, then she pretended to say goodbye in the middle of Series 8, then we had a goodbye in the Series 8 finale, and another almost-goodbye in the Christmas special, and then she died in Series 9 and had a great goodbye in Face The Raven and then this finale.
    That’s like what, 6 departures? The one at the end of Series 7 was necessary. The one in the middle of Series 8 was stupid. The next two are now meaningless, and her latest goodbye just sucked. We really only needed 2.

    #68311
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    Look I know they must be attached to the characters they made, but if the fans are willing to let go, so should they. At this point I expect they’ll make it a single goodbye episode a gimmick when the next companion goes. Wouldn’t even be surprised if it’s called “One Goodbye” 😛

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