Dark Disciple *spoiler thread*

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  • #64347
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    They’re only doing a Han story so they can have him shoot somebody first to appease the mob.

    #64348
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    Actually I read an article that they found the original Star Wars script and it has Han shooting first, yet GL likes to change things for the sake of changing them

    #64349
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    Uhh, they were his movies. Who cares if he changes one frame.

    #64350
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    Let’s discuss Dark Disciple 😛

    It was nice that Boba and his team came back.

    So the 8 episode arc would’ve been divided into two four-part arcs, I guess? So the first arc ends with Quinlan getting captured and Asajj escaping.
    I’m curious – what would they have kept or changed if this were the show?

    #64351
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    An 8 episode arc is ambitious, but I wouldn’t put it past Dave. He always seemed to like to shake things up in interesting ways. But I’m guessing it was two separate arcs since the first half was the only part to get rough-cut animation. They were probably different seasons.

    #64352
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    It could have been a cliffhanger ending for one season then continued next season. I often thought they would try something like that. That way it would break it up a little. Just think a summer of random speculation.

    #64353
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    They did that in the Season 4 finale. Remember when we were dying for a trailer? Good times.

    #64354
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    The chronological order list, has them divided they where in different seasons.

    This was also after the bounty hunter arc I guess nice Embo was with Bobas team now and Bane possibly might have been dead at this point.

    The little kid wouldn’t have been in it. Would have just showed the ship getting destroyed. Vos on his mission in that relic shop probably wouldn’t have been either. They got a set budget so they can’t afford too many new places they already had a new planet and lots of new models it seems. Everything on coruscant would be reused stuff.

    #64357
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    There’s a rumor going around that Cad Bane is going to be in one of the live action movies with Boba and the ESB hunters.

    #64361
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    That sort of seems unlikely. A third spinoff already? Unless they’re all in the Han movie which again seems unlikely

    #64362
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    One criticism of course I would notice the droids just said “Roger” not “Roger roger”.

    #64363
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    Given Disney’s record with Marvel and spam-f***ing us with movies, it should be entirely expected.

    #64365
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    Marvel has a reasonable system though where they have a set amount of movies that lead up to the big movie (Avengers), they don’t have that here.

    Too many spinoffs will sort of make them unappealing after awhike

    #64412
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    Just finished it and…what the hell was that?

    This is gonna be jumbled but my mind is still trying to process this mess.

    First of all Ventress, IF this is meant to be her because she read like a completely different character. She wasn’t the awesome badass we know and (mostly) love and had no standout moments. The romance was very heavy-handed and forced and read like bad fan-fiction. I REALLY DON’T Ventress lying in ANYONE’S arms under the stars or sitting cuddling in a park caressing each other and talking about family! Seriously she’s like a lost puppy. And her dialogue and internal monologues made her sound like a whiney bitch or, as the book mentions, a banshee .

    And now Vos — or perhaps I should call him the Dark Disciple — is a f*cking douche! I dislike him even more than before, in fact I hate him. The flippity-floppity with his allegiance was freaking ANNOYING and to cap it all off he’s the reason Ventress had to die meaning there’s no way for her to be redeemed (unless I ignore this novel ever happened and pretend her story is still up in the air).

    Other thoughts: As the show went on why did the show feel the need to shoehorn Anakin into every story arc? His role here was pointless and could have gone to ABSOLUTELY ANYONE. Three new Jedi are introduced in this, all do nothing and then die. Round 50 vs. Dooku was well worth the wait.

    Also, in the first half why are Black Sun and the Pykes at war when it takes place before Son of Dathomir ? Nice continuity there.

    Overall, a steaming pile of shit.

    #64417
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    Honestly.. yeah… it wasn’t that amazing… I didn’t hate it or anything, but I just wish it was better.

    I’m fine with a Ventress romance. She spent her whole life alone that maybe she does need someone in her life. At first, I thought it was nice that she had a person to be happy with. Then, as Roger said, it did get kind of heavy. She just followed him around… into a Confederate base… with Dooku… which made no sense.
    I loved how they brought her into the Temple and how she went and tried to rescue Vos on her own. Those were *her* choices, made all by herself. So was sacrificing herself for Vos. All her choices. Which I liked. But then they made it weird when she just followed him around in the end.

    Vos is an asshole. No arguing that.
    But Ventress CHOSE to sacrifice herself. She saw the vision and chose to push Vos out of the way. Her choice to sacrifice herself was done to redeem both Vos and herself. If she had died without a choice (like, say, Satine) that would’ve been bad storytelling, but the fact that Ventress CHOSE to save someone else over herself shows that she was redeemed. She went from selfish villain to selfless hero. Sadly, the person she died for was an asshole.
    If she had sacrificed herself for someone like Obi-Wan, that would’ve been nicer.

    I was reading another review of the novel and it said the same thing about the Anakin part. The book was advertised as a Ventress novel, and yet much of the novel was another Anakin/Obi-Wan episode.

    I thought it took place after that… LOL. Odd. Maybe the Pykes and Black Sun were having problems because Maul had vanished?

    #64419
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    It’s the underworld, they’re crime gangs. They’re always going to look for leverage over one another so they get more profit from it later, they are not going to stop everything because they’re temporary allied.

    #64461
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    By redemption I meant her as a character. As others said, it was assassinated. My head-canon is that she helped Obi-Wan in Revenge and went about her business. I’m ignoring her appearances in Season 5 because that felt like the start of her downfall in my eyes but she was still more enjoyable there than here.

    That makes sense with Maul being out the picture, but kidnapping and threatening to kill someone’s family sounds a little hard to sweep under the rug for any reason. Also, Black Sun turned up at the Pyke’s planet with warships to (as it was heavily implied) kill everyone.

    #64465
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    I thought her Season 5 appearance was good because it began leading her towards the good path. Even in this novel I liked how they ended with her as a hero.. it’s just what had to happen to get there wasn’t that great, with Vos.

    #64466
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    I have to agree I think I wanted to like it more then I actually liked it. If it was actual episodes I think a lot of the romance stuff wouldn’t have been there. I was actually more into what the Jedi were doing and how they had lost there way and where heading down a darker path. Kenobis realization at the end was reminiscent of Yoda in season six realizing that the war may be lost but there is a different path to victory. If I remember correctly I’m going to rewatch that now.

    #64469
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    Actually I don’t think all the Pykes allied with Maul, just a small syndicate.

    #64484
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    I remember reading somewhere that Christie Golden tends to over do it with the romances in her novels. I guess ‘Dark Disciple’ was a victim of that too.

    I think Ventress, like Ahsoka, ended up being one of the many cracks in the foundation of the Jedi order. And what I mean by that is the Jedi failed Ahsoka and they failed Ventress, in a way. I think, overall, this was another chapter in the story about how the Jedi were slipping further and further away from the ideals of the Old Republic.

    #64489
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    Fife, the leader of the Pykes in SOD, was in the book and Ziton Moj was mentioned to be involved with the kidnapping in some way as well. Whether or not all the Pykes joined Maul, Black Sun still attacked their planet with bad intentions.

    I wonder how the TCW writers originally planned for Vos to be involved with Maul considering Vos was never really dark. Maybe that’s why he was cut — to save even more confusion with his intentions.

    #64495
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    I don’t think Vos’s story was over by then. I think he would’ve killed Maul, but not in this arc. Too much was already happening.

    #64658
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    Basically everything wrong with this novel was Quinlan Vos. Imagine if it had been Obi-Wan instead. At least Ventress would make sense and her sacrifice would be even stronger. Less romance too.

    #64681
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    But Vos was cut from SOD completely, not even making it into the finalised scripts that became the comics. They wrote him out to better focus the narrative of that arc.

    Agree about Vos but I could have done without a romance altogether. IMO, Vos would have worked better if his role had seen him using Ventress’s knowledge to infiltrate Dooku’s inner circle (like in the EU) and to perhaps also identify Sidious (again like the EU). Vos could have lured Dooku into a trap leading to a three-way showdown which Vos is eventually separated from leaving just Ventress and Dooku to battle it out (like what was depicted on the back cover but never got).

    #64682
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    Wait, how do we know Vos was in Son of Dathomir? Was that confirmed?

    I’m fine with some flirtatious banter had it been Obi-Wan with some conflicting feelings that the two would’ve hidden for the greater good.
    But Vos was just an asshole in this book. Reminded me of Anakin in ROTS.
    At least with Obi-Wan, Asajj had history with him and he could’ve volunteered for the mission because he knew her better than the rest of the Jedi.
    And Asajj’s sacrifice… she died for Vos, but what is so important that Vos does for the rest of the galaxy? We don’t know. But we know Obi-Wan is HUGELY important so Asajj dying to save his life basically means her death saved the galaxy, rather than just a lover.

    #64683
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    Aida Mashaka-Croal, who wrote the original episode scripts, said on Twitter. Her tweets are protected so I can’t link them here. There was also more to the battle between Talzin and Sidious (Maul’s magick-saber) and the subsequent invasion. Additionally, a Star Wars Insider revealed that a creature called the shatterax would have appeared.

    #64684
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    The forced dynamic between Ventress/Vos was one of my main issues with it. They’d known each for like month before they almost got it on in one scene. And Asajj using flirting as a bounty hunting tactic was equally facepalm inducing and cringe-worthy. There aren’t enough bad words to describe it. Obi-Wan may have worked better but even then I don’t think anything would have happened beyond the flirtatious banter. They’d work better as just good friends. 😛

    #64694
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    Oh, wow. I wonder if Quinlan would have survived the arc, or killed Maul.

    Asajj using flirtation and her sexuality as a tactic wasn’t that bad IMO and it does work. 😛
    And if anything didn’t happen beyond the banter, it would’ve still been fine. Kenobi and Ventress have a really interesting friendship so just spending more time with that would’ve been awesome. Vos is just so irrelevant.

    #64704
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    Had a look and here’s the exact tweet: “@A_Targaryen @Halabrew Yes. Our 1st pass at that story included Vos, but we dropped his arc during the 2nd pass.” If SOD being in-between the two halves of Dark Disciple was always the plan then my guess is he didn’t kill Maul but survived. 😛

    And yes, exactly. 🙂

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