Captain America: The Winter Soldier (Spoilers)

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  • #40181
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    I thought I’d create a spoiler thread for this movie as there is so much stuff to talk about.

    I must admit that I was worried before I saw this movie as it looked like they were cramming loads of stuff in but it all actually turned out quite nice and was rushed at all. I liked that the Winter Soldier storyline wasn’t resolved and only set up. It’ll probably be continued in Cap 3 and maybe by the end of it he’ll fully remember who he is. I liked Sharon Carter in this as I thought before that she’d be forced into a romantic relationship with Cap but instead she didn’t have a whole lot to do and was only really set up for future stuff. The Zola scene was defiantly the creepiest part of the movie and was done so well and was so unexpected. While Pierce was obviously going to be the villain of the piece I still feel Robert Redford did a great job with him. Rumlow was an interesting character who ended up being quite evil, despite initially coming across as a good guy. However, I do feel that his reveal as a traitor could’ve been handled better. Interesting to see that HYRDRA has been growing under SHIELD this whole time and I did honestly not expect it to make a reappearance. Interesting for what this means now for the MCU that SHIELD is practically gone. The action scenes were spectacullar, especially with the three helicarriers. Falcon stole the show as far as action sequences are concerned and was also a very nice character. Cap was also great and has definitely secured himself as my favourite super hero. For some reason I know a lot of people aren’t all that interested in him but I personally find him great and he uses his shield very offensively in this like taking down a Quinjet with just the shield. It was a spectacular sequence to watch. Overall I love the political thriller elements and that mixed in with the action movie elements really makes this film stand out and I must say that it is better than the Avengers and now my favourite MCU film so far.

    #40188
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    I expected it to be great from the trailers and it didn’t disappoint.
    I really liked everyone in it. Cap, Falcon, Romanov, Fury everyone got their time to shine and making them all very likeable. I liked Cap before, but this really made him awesome and a favorite. And I’m really looking forward to Cap 3 now that it seems like Falcon will follow him on his mission.
    Damn I hated Rumlow and then he didn’t even die! I really hoped either Cap or Falcon would finish him of, but not so lucky.
    I didn’t see the second end credit scene but I read it was about Bucky at the museum seeing who he really was.

    This is definitely one of my favorite MCU movies too. Avengers is still on top, but this might be 2nd.

    #40190
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    Saw it today 😛 Actually better than I expected because sequels aren’t always that great…
    And same as Zuma, Cap was okay before but this movie made me like him a lot more. And Natasha as well, in Avengers she was kind of just there but here she had more of a personality and I liked it

    So Rumlow that’s his name? I know they said it I just didn’t get it… But I liked him however I thought he would die but I just looked him up and it makes sense they saved him.. He’s a villan named Crossbones…

    And the post credits scene was interesting however since I haven’t really kept up with Marvel news I forgot about about Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver and didn’t realize that’s who the “twins” were until some dude in the theater started spazzing out about them and quite loudly if I might add….. 😛

    #40206
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    I expect well see Rumlow again in Cap 3, maybe then he’ll be in something which resembles his costume from the comics, considering he came out of there quite badly burnt.

    I think another reason why this film works so well is that it interlinks well with the Avengers and almost feels like and Avengers 1.5 whereas Iron Man 3 and Thor 2 seem more like they are just those characters after the events of the Avengers.

    #40207
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    10 Cap 2 references you probably didn’t notice http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/04/04/10-captain-america-the-winter-soldier-secrets-you-probably-didnat-notice?page=1

    I didn’t know Cap and Falcon were such good friends. That pretty much guarantees he’ll be in Cap 3.
    Doctor Strange got name dropped!!! 😀

    #40211
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    I noticed that name drop 😀 This probably means that his movie won’t be an origin story which is quite an exciting prospect. I hope that a Doctor Strange film with be the next addition. I do remember someone inside MARVEL saying that in the future they would be doing one already establish character movie follow by a new one which would be nice.

    I also want a Hulk 2 to come but for some reason they’re holding off on that one. It would be cool if it featured Hawkeye too as he doesn’t have his own movie series other than the Avengers and I think throwing alongside Cap would be a mistake. I’m not sure what they’d do about the other characters though from the first film as that is now 6 years ago and the actors have probably moved on. I’d like to see the leader as the villain or maybe HYDRA trying to create more Hulks.

    #40223
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    I think he’s been strongly rumored to be getting one of Phase 3 movies. I’m not sure, but I think Antman and Cap 3 are the only confirmed parts of phase 3 so far.
    I think another strong rumor is Black Panther.

    #40235
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    I also missed the second scene, but read up on it.

    I sense Bucky will takeover as the new Captain, because Chris Evans said he will take a break with acting after his Marvel Contract is up.

    Black Panther would be so cool to make. Who could play him? Maybe Idris Elba? But 2 characters in 1 universe is pushing it. Although Chris Evans did it with the Human Torch.

    #40236
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    SHIELD will come back, I have no doubts about that.

    #40241
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    Well Human Torch isn’t part of the MCU 🙂 I was thinking Elba too. I forgot about Heimdal. He definitely has the physique though.

    I kinda hope it will come back at some point.

    #40250
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    So… What does all this mean for Agents of Shield…..

    #40253
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    Good question. They could be rogues after next week’s episode. Or maybe they’ll stay in contact with whatever is left of SHIELD.

    #40257
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    Does it keep up with the movies? (I don’t watch it)

    #40261
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    It starts out after Avengers and then there’s references to the movies here and there but not much more than that. But now it starting to fit closer together. Sitwell was in last week’s episode and he was ordered to the Lemurian Star where he is at the beginning of Cap 2, so you can sort of track the show in the MCU timeline.

    #40264
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    I think it’s fairly obvious that Hand is a HYDRA agent and will probably be one of the big villains for the rest of the season. I assume the rest of the season will directly link in with the events of Cap 2 and include finding out about HYDRA and the Clairvoyant.

    Cap 2 seems to take place in under a week so I think that at least the next two episodes will take place during it. In the promo for the next episode they say that they’re on the front lines for SHIELD’s soul so it definitely links into that.

    #40272
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    So, the Clairvoyant is/was the computer version of the little scientist guy? Or a high ranking agent?

    We got the impression that ALL of SHIELD had been dismantled, so Coulson and his team will just be freelancing now. But who will be taking care of the alien threats now? The Men in Black? 😛

    #40273
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    We still don’t know who the Clairvoyant is 🙂 I don’t think it’s Zola though.

    I would be totally comfortable with the MIB taking over 🙂

    #40288
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    Well that was pretty awesome… I love how connected to almost everything it was. It connected to The Iron Man story alot too! :O And then that Senator guy from Iron Man 2… Hydra! I thought he was just a jerk, turns out he’s a traitor!

    I got the impression that the Clairvoyant has something to do with Zola, and his algorithm and stuff. We’ll find out. I wonder how much they will go into the Captain America events.

    #40289
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    All the money they lost in those Hellicarriers tho…

    #40323
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    I kind of hope it’s not Zola as the show really needs a big villain who is exclusive to the show. I think that the Clairevoyant is definitely involved with HYDRA though in some way though.

    #40324
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    Well it feels like It just has to do something with Zola’s AI. I mean, it clearly stressed being able to predict things, people’s actions. While it may not be Zola himself, she/he’s probably involved with him.

    The only people I think Fury and Cap could definitelt trust were the Avengers members, and thats why they gotta bring them all back together, whether under official SHEILD supervision or not. I can probably make a good guess all, from Tony Stark, Rhodes, Banner and Strange (both mentioned :P) to any loyal SHEILD agent, were included among these high risk targets. Im sure they wouldve taken out World Leaders slowly, surely, with them. Toppled governments. They could have done so much.

    #40327
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    I don’t think it has to do with Zola. Insight targets people based on their past. If Coulson is right about the Clairvoyant he just knows things because he’s inside SHIELD.

    Don’t forget Maria Hill. She’s the one he trusted most of all 😛
    Not slowly 🙂 They were about to gun down millions of people in minutes. Crazy stuff..

    #40329
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    It used all the information based on people’s past to successfully predict how big of a threat they would be in future. A high level SHEILD agent would have to be the Clairvoyant, or just one with access to every file of anybody. And he kinda did, being the computer himself.

    #40333
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    That’s what Coulson thinks it is. Someone with access to everyone. That’s why they didn’t know anything about Coulson because that was done off record by Fury.

    #40353
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    BUT… The Computer Zola also seems to have access to everything.

    #40362
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    Hmm, that’s true. He could be the Clairvoyant or at least be related to him.

    #40374
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    At least Agent Garret (Bill Paxton) isnt a traitor. Teaser for next episode had him chased by Drones… And to his surprise, SHEILD Drones…

    #40376
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    Also. Do you think Zola is destroyed? That computer was… But could his sentience have escaped, or also be connected somewhere else?

    #40377
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    It does seem that those computers had an internet connection…

    #40384
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    He could be floating on “the cloud.” 😛

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